tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6608786195778062300.comments2024-03-07T02:04:01.701-08:00The Goodness and the MysteriesDave Butlerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00294284507031694093noreply@blogger.comBlogger54125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6608786195778062300.post-14273335216699438562014-04-30T12:43:05.498-07:002014-04-30T12:43:05.498-07:00I have been given to understand that "40 days...I have been given to understand that "40 days" doesn't actually mean 5 weeks and five days. Instead, it is supposed to mean "many days" and could be any large number.<br /><br />Thanks, though, for pointing out a possible connection. Since I believe everything is connected, I'm willing to consider Moses' 40 days as Messianic.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17543400539590532844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6608786195778062300.post-36781470462358287072014-02-01T20:35:31.273-08:002014-02-01T20:35:31.273-08:00The February 2014 ENSIGN has an article on altars ...The February 2014 ENSIGN has an article on altars and one of the points is that there is another word (besides the one that means "place") that has been translated as "altar" in some parts of the scriptures that could also be translated as "mountain of God." Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17543400539590532844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6608786195778062300.post-28532355875090564842014-01-10T15:57:56.050-08:002014-01-10T15:57:56.050-08:00Adam and Eve received a garment of light while in ...Adam and Eve received a garment of light while in the garden which was replaced after the Fall.<br /><br />Hugh Nibley<br />Adam, when he came to earth, had a garment. He received a garment of light, when, in the Garden of Eden . . . So Adam lost his garment of light at the Fall and had to clothe himself in a garment of skin, a reversal of the process. His new leather garment was nonetheless a glorious one, a sign of authority. Eisler calls it the garment of protection. It was necessary to protect Adam in his exposed and fallen state. Because he had gotten himself into a dangerous position in which he needed assurance and protection, he received this kind of garment. He could no longer wear his glorious one; it was up above, waiting for him. (Temple and Cosmos: Beyond This Ignorant Present, 123-24)<br /><br /><br />Adam and Eve were changed after they took of the fruit of the tree of good and evil.<br /><br />James E. Talmage <br />[when the temptation came in the Garden of Eden] the woman was captivated by these representations; and, being eager to possess the advantages pictured by Satan, she disobeyed the command of the Lord, and partook of the fruit forbidden. She feared no evil for she knew it not. Then, telling Adam what she had done, she urged him to eat of the fruit also.<br /><br />Adam found himself in a position that made it impossible for him to obey both of the specific commandments given by the Lord. He and his wife had been commanded to multiply and replenish the earth. Adam had not yet fallen to the state of mortality, but Eve already had; and in such dissimilar conditions the two could not remain together, and therefore could not fulfil the divine requirement as to procreation. On the other hand, Adam would be disobeying another commandment by yielding to Eve's request. He deliberately and wisely decided to stand by the first and greater commandment; and, therefore, with understanding of the nature of his act, he also partook of the fruit that grew on the tree of knowledge. The fact that Adam acted understandingly in this matter is affirmed by scripture. Paul, in writing to Timothy, explained that "Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." (1 Tim. 2:14) The prophet Lehi, in expounding the scriptures to his sons, declared: "Adam fell that men might be; and men are that they might have joy." (2 Ne. 2:25) (Articles of Faith, pp. 59, 65)<br />Getitrighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12052257528220106744noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6608786195778062300.post-37290490550251009612012-12-06T15:40:35.024-08:002012-12-06T15:40:35.024-08:00Or that we're simply not ready to have in our ...Or that we're simply not ready to have in our scriptures yet... because we haven't understood what we have.Dave Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00294284507031694093noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6608786195778062300.post-70629743872000515082012-12-06T13:24:56.725-08:002012-12-06T13:24:56.725-08:00I've long suspected that Joseph's translat...I've long suspected that Joseph's translation of Abraham stops where it does because he saw that it was detailing things that were best conveyed within the temple under covenant, not on the front page of the Times & Seasons.Nathan Shumatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16193754712697037064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6608786195778062300.post-8752360136261883322012-12-02T13:25:08.881-08:002012-12-02T13:25:08.881-08:00On the mother of Jacob and Joseph question: if Leh...On the mother of Jacob and Joseph question: if Lehi had other wives or concubines, wouldn't the people who wanted to have their own wives and concubines in only a few years have used Lehi as justification? Jacob preached against the practice, so I doubt that his own father would have lived it.Nanakathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11138862619129125182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6608786195778062300.post-83459970677984444442012-11-20T18:18:14.155-08:002012-11-20T18:18:14.155-08:00Also the imagery in Ether 13:2-3, which makes the ...Also the imagery in Ether 13:2-3, which makes the entire promised land a founded temple and the place of the New Jerusalem.Dave Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00294284507031694093noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6608786195778062300.post-19015830139203537782012-11-16T12:30:08.832-08:002012-11-16T12:30:08.832-08:00True. But some lions are the same lion. It depen...True. But some lions are the same lion. It depends on what else you see with the lion.Dave Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00294284507031694093noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6608786195778062300.post-14968913797068279092012-11-16T09:13:01.242-08:002012-11-16T09:13:01.242-08:00So, a revealed pseudopigraphic but ancient text......So, a revealed pseudopigraphic but ancient text... Interesting.Nathan Shumatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16193754712697037064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6608786195778062300.post-3130625501500519992012-11-15T14:08:03.395-08:002012-11-15T14:08:03.395-08:00Not every lion is the same lion; Egyptians had bee...Not every lion is the same lion; Egyptians had been using lions as divine symbols (including equating the lion with the goddess Sekhmet) since before 2000 B.C. (i.e., before the traditional Age of the Patriarchs).Nathan Shumatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16193754712697037064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6608786195778062300.post-53881548200127241392012-11-14T17:05:24.869-08:002012-11-14T17:05:24.869-08:00I am totally convinced that this is an ancient tex...I am totally convinced that this is an ancient text. I don't think it was written by Abraham, though. I think it's pseudonymous history written later.Dave Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00294284507031694093noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6608786195778062300.post-33096220063353881752012-11-14T14:29:41.672-08:002012-11-14T14:29:41.672-08:00Potiphar's Hill only implies those connotation...Potiphar's Hill only implies those connotations if one assumes that the text was composed after the episode of Joseph in Egypt. Taken together with your wording earlier this week -- "the man writing under the name Abraham" -- can I assume that you're unconvinced as to the historical factuality of the text?Nathan Shumatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16193754712697037064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6608786195778062300.post-28351466227573543212012-11-07T20:10:37.463-08:002012-11-07T20:10:37.463-08:00Also we see here the strait gate, songs of joy, an...Also we see here the strait gate, songs of joy, and that the Messiah comes through the "seed." Moses is startling.Dave Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00294284507031694093noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6608786195778062300.post-38737234662642095982012-07-08T16:23:54.467-07:002012-07-08T16:23:54.467-07:00It occurred to me that one of the reasons for this...It occurred to me that one of the reasons for this part of the Book of Mormon is to show that the record actually was handed down and preserved, just as the Lord promised it would be. The preservers may not have added anything to it, but they didn't lose it and they didn't take anything away. They were as faithful as they could be, and it was enough.Nanakathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11138862619129125182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6608786195778062300.post-76662620996814429742012-06-19T22:38:32.602-07:002012-06-19T22:38:32.602-07:00I wondered about that-so of course I wrote up an a...I wondered about that-so of course I wrote up an answer in my novel. <br /><br />So far as I have researched it is not a euphamism for anything that I have come across. Maybe it is exactly what it says; his father (also named Mormon) had to literally carry him a good distance and that fatherly love moved Mormon so much, that it had to be mentioned.<br /><br />When you look at what Mormon has to say about himself it is usually vague. He has no ego (about being the greatest Nephite general of all time!) and IMAO is even self-depracting-I don't believe for a second that he was made general of their armies simply because he was large of stature-there is more to the story that he didn't tell us-because he has no ego! We learn more about the actual war conditions in Moroni 9 - a letter to his son Moroni, than we do in all the chapters he gives us leading up to Cumorah.<br /><br />So I come back to: That Mormon saw fit to include his father carrying him means that it meant an awful lot to him and was I believe literally physically true. The cause of him actually being unable to walk must have been a temporary thing.nephite blood spartan hearthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17092519999184585295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6608786195778062300.post-61181300641855218062011-12-09T22:51:20.798-08:002011-12-09T22:51:20.798-08:00I really like this reference back to QODESH L'...I really like this reference back to QODESH L'YHWH. <br /><br />Especially when looking at the meanings of other words created from the triliteral Q-D-Sh like Kedeshah, (קדשה) and how the concepts might have played into the psychology of the times.Ryan Hunthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14209326600483003849noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6608786195778062300.post-78286322490088925212011-12-09T22:44:14.003-08:002011-12-09T22:44:14.003-08:00Good catch.Good catch.Ryan Hunthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14209326600483003849noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6608786195778062300.post-80195663726291071812011-12-09T17:55:59.687-08:002011-12-09T17:55:59.687-08:00I have to laugh at myself for #5 now. It indicate...I have to laugh at myself for #5 now. It indicates the modern editors' analysis of the date, at the foot. Duh. Ha! Man is fallible, Dave is a man, ego ignore #5.Dave Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00294284507031694093noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6608786195778062300.post-7313582665091580582011-12-09T14:10:45.733-08:002011-12-09T14:10:45.733-08:00I [+1] your comment. What kind of crummy blog doe...I [+1] your comment. What kind of crummy blog doesn't have [+1] and [Like] buttons? Oh, wait, a private blog...Dave Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00294284507031694093noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6608786195778062300.post-40313051132239346962011-12-09T14:08:22.111-08:002011-12-09T14:08:22.111-08:00Yeah, and tying that back in to Genesis 1 brings i...Yeah, and tying that back in to Genesis 1 brings it all back home.Ryan Hunthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14209326600483003849noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6608786195778062300.post-92088184093876678022011-12-09T13:59:31.912-08:002011-12-09T13:59:31.912-08:00Oh, for sure. Reading Matt 5:48 to say you just h...Oh, for sure. Reading Matt 5:48 to say you just have to be perfect, period, is discouraging. "Be complete, be at peace, be initiated" is much more satisfying and comprehensible, I think.Dave Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00294284507031694093noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6608786195778062300.post-67511403028959641872011-12-09T13:54:58.556-08:002011-12-09T13:54:58.556-08:00I would say that drawing this connection sits bett...I would say that drawing this connection sits better with my understanding of perfection. Perfection that is completion is much more satisfying than some the common modern conceptions of the unattainable as separate from us.Ryan Hunthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14209326600483003849noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6608786195778062300.post-61320825165341922662011-12-09T12:00:23.500-08:002011-12-09T12:00:23.500-08:00I would say the Hebrew language sees them as relat...I would say the Hebrew language sees them as related.Dave Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00294284507031694093noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6608786195778062300.post-47319380020049780022011-12-08T18:13:25.449-08:002011-12-08T18:13:25.449-08:00Re: 3 - So would you say you're drawing a para...Re: 3 - So would you say you're drawing a parallel between peace and perfection?Ryan Hunthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14209326600483003849noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6608786195778062300.post-28552504470118940832011-12-07T21:51:55.437-08:002011-12-07T21:51:55.437-08:00Regarding point number five on Dave's notes fo...Regarding point number five on Dave's notes for Mosiah chapter 3. <br /><br />I think this reference to verse number 19 is more than simply imagery of dressing or undressing, or of changing from one man to the next. This is a fundamental scripture dealing with aspects of the mysteries as discussed in the doctrine of Adam-God has preached by Joseph in the King Follet discourse. And later many times by Brigham Young. <br /><br />The word Adam is an old word that goes back farther than Hebrew, Aramaic further back even then Sanskrit. It lies in the roots of the language of the ancients where "-dam" is the root word implying natural state and "a" is the prefix of negating.<br /><br />So when the scripture talks about natural man as the enemy to God and discusses Adam at the same time, even the fall of Adam, what we're seeing here is a window into the understanding that the natural man is at odds with Adam the very father of mankind. <br /><br />It is as if the name Adam is synonymous with the word saint. <br /><br />So the question is, was he Dam before the fall, and Adam after the fall? Renaming after all was a common convention. <br /><br />And that is a rabbit hole that is deeper than Alice ever imagined traveling down...Ryan Hunthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14209326600483003849noreply@blogger.com